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Post by ryanfmc on Jul 18, 2011 8:33:18 GMT -5
long msg short.
Enemy go 4gate, put a pylon near you, what do you do?
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Post by mchlee on Jul 18, 2011 19:27:29 GMT -5
u will have to put a few canons down or counter 4gate i guess. base race?
it worked for me once.. their army was waaay bigger than mine yet i kept forcefielding ther ramp and base raced him..i had an expo somewhere else ofc... i really actually hate 4agte vs 4gate..
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Post by mchlee on Jul 18, 2011 19:47:30 GMT -5
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Post by ProMiNEnce on Jul 18, 2011 20:59:48 GMT -5
technicaly u dont have to counter a 4 gate with another 4 gate. As long as ur warp gate timings or correct and u have the amount of sentries that u need u could easily defend a 4 warp gate push with say a 2 gate robo. i have done it a lot of times before. if u already now early in the game that the toss is gonna 4 gate (should be quite clear) then u can just skip that obs and go straight for that immortal. forcefield the ramp efficiantly and until your immortal pops out. Since 4 gates are mainly composed of stalkers you should be fine from then on. nowedays however, since wp research timings are longer, most toss are starting to just produce more out of chronobhoostes gateways and try and lay on more pressure.
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Post by mchlee on Jul 18, 2011 21:02:30 GMT -5
true.. but wouldnt they have plenty of 4xstalkers warping in at an alarming rate because they have a proxy pylon outside your base, ur sentries will eventaully run out of energy, but your opponents units keep streaming in
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Post by AeThErOs on Jul 18, 2011 23:11:06 GMT -5
you only need 4 sentries to keep ff going for 48 seconds non-stop, if you give that a rest for 2 seconds you can get another 48 seconds of force fields. 4 sentries are enough to defend against 4gate. like sillyshogun said, skip the obs and get your immortal. once your immortal is done you should have won the game-- there's no way he can tech up to anti-robo. like shogun also said some people are just starting to produce more out the gateways themselves but that doesn't really work because it makes it take a lot longer to get to your base and its just free kills for you. Standard 4gate is also only all-in-ed at 20 workers, so if you get 1 saturated base you're ahead of them sometimes I get the obs anyways to scout for an all-in or a continued game. But if he's 4gate and got a lot of pressure on you I doubt he could be expanding and getting into 2 base. If he can do that he probably doesn't have that many units at all. later on maybe between pauses of free-killing stalkers you can look for/kill the proxy pylon. btw shogun needs to work on spelling lol  |
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Post by ProMiNEnce on Jul 19, 2011 0:03:33 GMT -5
If indeed ur opponent is expanding behind the 4 gate-pressure he is laying on u. u will be able to tell. Usually, a toss that expanding over a 4 gate will have to get is eco back on track, because of how much he invested into the 4 gate--like ayoth said, stopping probe production at around 20. A protoss that is recovoring from his failed 4 gate will usually immidietly move back to his own base, because, by then, you would easily be able to brake the contain tthat other toss has. however, if the other toss still remains ioutside ur base in a sort of contain, its sold easily be pushed back, because at this time, the opponent would be focused on macro and wont invest that much into more stalkers....they key early game offensive unit for the toss.
Also mchlee, to answer ur last question. Ur sentries will ofc run out of energy eventually, buthey will ensure that ur immortal pops out. And since a 4 gate relies mainly on stalkers ur immortal would send ur opponent scurrying to his base, if he persists with his attacks even after ur immortal pops out then u know that he is investing a lot to this-now- All In. if u manage to hold this off its pretty much GG for ur opponent because u ofc would have been probing behind all this.
oh and idc about spelling. -_-
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Post by ProMiNEnce on Jul 19, 2011 0:05:25 GMT -5
the last msg is a bit of a mess, yes. thats because i literrally threw all my thoughts into it at once with no structure whatsoever
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Post by AeThErOs on Jul 19, 2011 2:13:01 GMT -5
1 immortal kills 3 stalkers. 1 immortal costs 2 stalkers. I iz happy man.
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Post by ProMiNEnce on Jul 19, 2011 2:43:55 GMT -5
lolol
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Post by ryanfmc on Jul 19, 2011 3:33:16 GMT -5
lol.....ya mchlee i mean that XD, O.o, thanks for the tips guys
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Post by AeThErOs on Jul 19, 2011 5:10:03 GMT -5
np
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Post by ProMiNEnce on Jul 19, 2011 8:21:43 GMT -5
np, glad it helped  |
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